Since the Molok has the ability to fit both Doomsday's and Generators of both races those are going to be Massive in wasted m3 space for unpackaged for refitting on the fly. You are talking an extra 10000 m3 or 1/10th of the Moloks entire Fleet Hangar being used for these two modules alone for just one type of race. Let's also not forget the m3 of Capital Nos, Neuts, Capital props, various non racial Doomsday types as well as every other various refit you'll need. Instead of giving the Molok some stupid gimmicky corpse bay half the damn thing and double the Fleet Hangar so we can use the ships versatility.

Since the Molok has the ability to fit both Doomsday's and Generators of both races those are going to be Massive in wasted m3 space for unpackaged for refitting on the fly. You are talking an extra 10000 m3 or 1/10th of the Moloks entire Fleet Hangar being used for these two modules alone for just one type of race. Let's also not forget the m3 of Capital Nos, Neuts, Capital props, various non racial Doomsday types as well as every other various refit you'll need. Instead of giving the Molok some stupid gimmicky corpse bay half the damn thing and double the Fleet Hangar so we can use the ships versatility. I shouldn't have to fandangle and jumble around a limited fleet hangar for a ship that costs 3x the amount of a regular Titan and stare at a near empty coprse bay.

Aside from that loving the stats love the SMA size, the 4 turret DPS layout I would prefer an extra mid slot seeing as the Vanquisher already has the extra 8th low and a bigger increase to the raw Armor to make the Molok more of an incentive towards aquiring. So far everything else looks pretty dope.

Are you fing ********? You just said to fit cargo expanders on a Faction Titan. Do you even understand that by adding the ability to racially fit two instead of ONE type of targeted DD and Phenomenon Generator it takes an additional 10000 m3 of space to DO so. Just shut up.

Please explain how you "make" choices when they are limited yet CCP gives you a ship that can fit multiple variants yet not have the space to DO so. Not to mention the SMA is larger than a standard Avatar so why wouldn't the Fleet Hangar be as well when the modules it carries and uses are massive when unpackaged?

There should BE no deliema on a 300 BILLION ISK TITAN. Especially when the fittings it uses eats up an additional 10k to 20k m3 due to faction capital nos, neuts, racial Doomsday and phenomenon Generators. What's the damn point in owning one if you can't even use the modules it is bonused for????

No you're entire groups posting history on this topic is stooped in blatant ignorance and stupidity. I've sat for hours coming up with particular refits, modules, squeezing every last drop of space out of a fleet hangar on a regular Avatar. And I am telling you in it's current state with bonuses to capital nos and neuts (meaning you'd usually have two fitted two stored) you are going to incure an increase of (wait for it) 8000 m3 due to having two of each type of NOS and Nuet. An additional 10,000 m3 due to having two racial phenomena generators, and another 5000 m3 of space for needing to carry an additional racial Doomsday. Then you need an additional 5000 m3 of empty space to refit.

That is a total of 28000 additional m3 needed MINIMUM to have the Moloks capability to refit for its bonuses in a combat situation. Engage your damn brain.

I've sat for hours coming up with particular refits, modules, squeezing every last drop of space out of a fleet hangar on a regular Avatar.

And I am telling you in it's current state with bonuses to capital nos and neuts (meaning you'd usually have two fitted two stored) you are going to incure an increase of (wait for it) 8000 m3 due to having two of each type of NOS and Nuet. An additional 10,000 m3 due to having two racial phenomena generators, and another 5000 m3 of space for needing to carry an additional racial Doomsday. Then you need an additional 5000 m3 of empty space to refit.

That is a total of 28000 additional m3 needed MINIMUM to have the Moloks capability to refit for its bonuses in a combat situation. Engage your damn brain.

Do you understand how Titans bounce? Does your small little brain even comprehend the logistical nightmare of combat refitting in a Faction Titan where it is probably likely any additional capitals will be either volleyed or bumped away? You also realize you STILL need the empty space to place said modules and swap into the fleet hangar. You also said you don't need both DD's???? So what if the enemy has different kinds of dreads? Would it not be beneficial to DD wait out the aggression timer, reswap to the other DD and use said resistance hole to alpha another dreadnought???? God are all of YOU this dumb when it comes to capital warfare? Of course you all are because you have zero clue what the hell you are talking about. Also it isn't entitlement its practicality and usability on the Battlefield. I suggest learning above a fifth grade reading level or hooked on phonics for you to comprehend basic fitting tactics.

I'm done arguing with the mentally challenged. I suggest you go to a neurologist and cure the reason why your neurons fire so slowly when it comes to daring to form an opinion about Capitals.

No that has never been my argument.

There should BE no deliema on a 300 BILLION ISK TITAN. Especially when the fittings it uses eats up an additional 10k to 20k m3 due to faction capital nos, neuts, racial Doomsday and phenomenon Generators. What's the damn point in owning one if you can't even use the modules it is bonused for????

And I am telling you in it's current state with bonuses to capital nos and neuts (meaning you'd usually have two fitted two stored) you are going to incure an increase of (wait for it) 8000 m3 due to having two of each type of NOS and Nuet. An additional 10,000 m3 due to having two racial phenomena generators, and another 5000 m3 of space for needing to carry an additional racial Doomsday. Then you need an additional 5000 m3 of empty space to refit.

That is a total of 28000 additional m3 needed MINIMUM to have the Moloks capability to refit for its bonuses in a combat situation. Engage your damn brain.

It seems to me like you fail to comprehend that BECAUSE said Titan is bonused to use CAPITAL nos nuets dd's and generators it specifically needs to be able TO CARRY AND REFIT SAID MODULES. The cost of the Titan has little relevance in regards towards the modules it is bonused to USE. If the Titan was not bonused to use 2 racial doomsdays, three addirional types of dds, capital nos and neuts as well as two phenomena generators we would not be having this discussion.

No these modules are in ADDITION to an already near maxed fleet hangar on a regular Avatar. I know you Goons have zero clue how to use or refit capitals but please for sake of the rest of everyone else's sanity try and keep up.

It seems to me like you fail to comprehend that BECAUSE said Titan is bonused to use CAPITAL nos nuets dd's and generators it specifically needs to be able TO CARRY AND REFIT SAID MODULES. The cost of the Titan has little relevance in regards towards the modules it is bonused to USE. If the Titan was not bonused to use 2 racial doomsdays, three additional types of dds, capital nos and neuts as well as two phenomena generators we would not be having this discussion.

From what I can tell his argument is thusly:

Why bother using a faction titan, when that faction titan can only fit the modules of one race of bonuses in its hull?

Effectively, you are saying 'here are the bonuses' but then negating that because the titan can only use one type of bonus without docking up to refit.

In essense, the extra DD bonuses are pointless.

Of course, it's still an advantage because the enemy won't know which DD you have fit until you fire it.

That being said, it does seem a bit pointless to have a ship which can only use one bonus at a time without docking. For the price, you might as well buy two titans with the same racial DD's, as you could just do the same effective thing with them.

Not being able to even carry the basic refits due to their size is a massive hindrance. No one is saying shield refits or Quafe like your fellow idiots praddle on about. I am saying the BASIC refits to even USE the bonuses the Titan is made for!

Lol entitlement. No one is entitled to jack. Stop trying to convey functionality for entitlement just because YOU will never fly one.

Its not a cargo hold its a fleet hangar. Again because the ship is functional it needs space to carry the modules that MAKE it functional.

Since the Molok has the ability to fit both Doomsday's and Generators of both races those are going to be Massive in wasted m3 space for unpackaged for refitting on the fly. You are talking an extra 10000 m3 or 1/10th of the Moloks entire Fleet Hangar being used for these two modules alone for just one type of race. Let's also not forget the m3 of Capital Nos, Neuts, Capital props, various non racial Doomsday types as well as every other various refit you'll need. Instead of giving the Molok some stupid gimmicky corpse bay half the damn thing and double the Fleet Hangar so we can use the ships versatility. I shouldn't have to fandangle and jumble around a limited fleet hangar for a ship that costs 3x the amount of a regular Titan and stare at a near empty coprse bay.

Any comment on the hangar size debate so we can put it to rest?

I was hoping for Doomday on the dread :(

The nos bonus on the Fax isnt enough

It needs to be 50% or 100% per level to make it properly useful